@GrilledCheese2 ......you're right....I did miss the "edit" from Tado.......however as a grade 1 cynic, my "thoughts" are still relevant (to me anyway).
I await with some enthusiasm exactly what Tado eventually propose as an upgrade to the scheduling of our Tado Rooms and devices.
I couldn't get the link to operate......
I'd like to understand how the weather compensation works within Tado. If a room's temperature is just below the required temperature in one room, the boiler fires up and heats it furiously until the room is far too hot - even though outside could be bright and sunny. I know the TRVs can work at three levels, so why not just heat slowly?
As to some extra suggestions, the first ever wireless thermostat I had (the Honeywell CM927) had three very useful options:
The day off and party functions were so simple to use, and fit most requirements to temporarily override the programme. Each could be applied either to the whole system, or just a selected room in the same way the resume, off and boost buttons do now.
Happy to see this coming to fruition as I've asked for this many years ago (having been a Tado user since launch).
Key things for me:
I work in shifts, 06:00-14:00/14:00-22:00/22:00-06:00
It would be handy for people working in shifts to set up a few smart schedules so that they can pick which ever one they need on that certain day.
I just installed Tado and I'm already dreading the idea that I will have to check/change my settings regularly due to these shift changes.
Like when I'm working night shift but sleeping during the day I don't need any heating until I wake up at 15:00. For the other shifts I could work with the geolocation feature and turn of the heating manually whenever I go to bed. But this seems a lot of work for a 'smart' thermostat.
It would be nice to save multiple schedules and be able to select the one which is needed that certain day.
Even for people not working in shifts ;)
First thing that would make a big difference is letting individual users set their own schedules. I think that's relatively simple as it shouldn't need the backend system changing drastically. Then where there's conflict the system defaults to On and the warmest set temperature.
This would address most issues caused by multiple users having different occupancy patterns, which becomes a problem where there are multiple zones.
The current setup assumes a single zone, if anyone's home turn it on. But where you have multiple zones it then matters who is home. Quick simple example; both me and my wife work at home, my wife doesn't work on a Wednesday. So we have it setup to heat just the floor we work on during the day in the week, but on a Wednesday if my wife is home the downstairs should heat too and if she goes out it should go back to just the floor I'm then working on.
After that, what's missing for me is the ability to pick up exceptions other than those that can be triggered by geolocation. Eg my parents won't install the app, but they're often here with the kids on their own in the winter. Can you pick up that from my Calendar, give me a Visitor schedule that I can set or something like that?
@paulrockliffe Thanks for your suggestion! I think you are describing "Geofencing per room" or "Geolocation per room" feature. There should be a topic about that in this forum also.
+1 I'd love something where i could have seasonal schedules and some sort of guest mode/schedule for the spare bedroom
l’m new to the tado° system and bought in assuming that multiple schedules would be a given in any smart heating control system. It's frustrating, to put it mildly, to discover that the software comes nowhere close to providing this basic functionality! I see that copy/paste schedule building has just been written into the Android app, which is another feature that I would have expected to find in the initial build.
The tado° hardware is so capable and pleasingly designed it slightly beggars belief that the software is so rudimentary in that respect. We can only hope that tado° make up for missing these opportunities that a smart system provides, by putting resources into developing this asap.
Looking at the timeline of the forum posts and the minimal input from tado°, hello Jurian, I’m not confident that this is being taken as seriously as it should be? Please tell me I’m wrong!
My idea is add a "summer maintenance" mode. In the mode, at summer, the tado radiator valves move it from min. to max. state about once a month. (without do a heating request)
@GrilledCheese2 Great suggestions! Personally, I don't think you ask 'too much'. Should be doable to allow for limit programming by...limited programming on Tado's end. Sticking it under 'advanced schedules' should allow for making it slightly more complicated than the rest of the interface.
I'd like to add two more:
(and yes I'm aware these two ideas are not new and have been mentioned before)
I might even break a lance for allowing a lot of programmability in an external IFTTT-like webapp. Like the API, only a fraction of the users can read it, but the community always provides. A bit like the Android app Tasker, which most users can probably only use the basic functions, but you can download a ton of scripts which allow - well -pretty anything you want to do with Tasker. In all honesty, I think chances for this to happen are remote but..please just don't limit the functionality too much in order to dumb it down.
Good suggestion @SVL
I was literally thinking yesterday about the "guest present" temporary setting. It would be separate from one discussed in the other thread. This one could be simply a temporary override in a manner you described for timed schedules (e.g. I know I have guests over the weekend so while I normally keep guest bedroom cold, I'd like it to be active over this weekend only.
I have tried to achieve similar with my home office by presence/motion sensor linked to Alexa, but the problem there is that it was unable to set a "mode" - while it was fine for turning temperature on - while no motion/presence was detected I was only able to revert it back to "off" (or other fixed setup) rather than usual schedule.
My house has floor heating and is very well isolated. Because floor heating is a very slow way of heating a room, I have set my 'Away' temperature to only 3 degrees less than normal. If I would allow it to cool down more, it will take a very long time to warm up when I get back. I would like to have an extra 'Holiday' option besides the existing 'Home / Away' options. When I am leaving for a short stay I would select 'Away' but when leaving for a longer period I would select 'Holiday' and allow my house to cool down a lot more than the 3 degrees.
multiple schedule feature would be great.
@tado_mod I am new here. Can you give me a rough estimate of when such feature couple be available? are we talking weeks? months? year?
The different smart schedules need the ability to turn geofencing on and off individually too. For instance, with our geofencing turned on and me and my partner out for the evening, the heating will turn off. We need a babysitter mode so the kids and sitter aren't freezing :D
The current scheduler is pretty static and does not allow for quick, easy and occasional changes.
Right now I make a distinction between two states: Someone is home/in the room and nobody is home/in the room. Would be great if I could create templates per room and then specify for each day what template is valid for that room and even make a selection between "a normal schedule" and a "one time update of the normal schedule"
I suspect that some of the original request has got lost in the noise. A couple of important points that I would like to restate about my perspective, and hopefully catching some of the others (especially for those who may not have read the whole thread yet) ...
The idea of having different settings for different seasons (plus some of the other requests like working from home, etc.) is: (a) to have a very simple switch FOR THE WHOLE HOUSE between scenarios, maybe even with the option to automate this by season or weather, etc. and (b) have the ability to tune the settings over time in each scenario and then "lock them in" for future use.
I have read though all of the comments here, and have the following to add/summarise.
For me, the scheduler is currently functional, but so dated in it’s thinking. It’s as if we’ve forgotten this is an app, limited only by our imagination and will, because we are basically replicating the approach of the simplest digital timeclocks from the late eighties. Be ashamed people, lead the charge and change the world.
Think about the user. Firstly, you are selling a zoned solution, capable of controlling every single room independently. If I purchase a radiator valve, I am already saying ‘this room needs to be different’. Whether that is because it’s a guest room, or you now work from home in that room is immaterial. Secondly, we no longer live in the eighties, our lives are fluid in ways we could never have imagined back then. Nine to five is gone for many, shift work, hybrid working, kids at college and university, caring for parents or others, the changing demands are everywhere.
How would I approach this ?
I would create a library for ‘Demand Profiles’. A Demand Profile describes the temperature demands for any single zone for a 24 hour period (midnight to midnight). It has two modes (Home and Away for geofencing). To capture a request from another thread, each temperature slot in the profile can be marked as ‘Desired’ or ‘Required’; where ‘Desired’ slots make no active demand to the boiler, but will open valves to scavenge heat if the boiler is active already, whereas ‘Required’ demands the boiler activate.
I would allow the new Truly Smart Schedule to operate in either ‘Routine’ (weekly repeat) mode or ‘Flexible’ (calendar based). This is important, allow users with a routine and rhythm to their life to program in a simple structured way that feels familiar, whilst providing a fluid and flexible approach to households driven by calendar planning and sudden change.
To schedule in ‘Routine’ mode; Select the zone, the day of the week and the demand profile required.
To schedule in ‘Flexible’ mode; Select the zone, date/time to start, date/time to stop and the demand profile required.
Every zone has a basic ‘Routine’ schedule defined (or maybe just a Frost Protection default). ‘Flexible’ operates as an override in preference to the routine behaviour.
Wrapped around the new Truly Smart Schedule, the Geofence needs some tweaking. Each geofence user needs to have zones assigned to them. If all users of a given zone leave, that zone drops into ‘Away’ mode.
I believe that this basic approach provides a massive step forward in flexibility. If I prefer to stay with simple routine-based programming, I can quickly switch to an alternate Demand Profile as the routine changes for school holidays, visitors or such, then switch back later, all with minimal effort. I no longer need to remember my preferred set-up and recreate it later.
Flexible mode provides the basis for ultimately linking zones to calendar apps or other external triggers potentially. It certainly allows shift workers and commercial travellers to plan ahead reliably.
Simple multiple profiles/schedules would be really useful. As a worker on rotating shifts it's a real pain manually changing individual rooms schedules and temperatures every four days. The recently introduced copy room function doesn't to it for me as I have different room parameters in every room.
What I would like: