Open Term vs Relay Connection to Boiler

Hello

I am considering purchasing a Tado "Starter Kit – Wireless Smart Thermostat V3+" and lots of "Smart Radiator Thermostat V3+s".

My boiler is a "Remeha Avanta 30s", S-Plan with an external Megaflow hot water tank.


Before I purchase I have 3 questions I hope someone can answer:

1) Does the Wireless receiver in the starter kit allow for Open Them connectivity to the boiler?

2) If not would I be better getting an Extension kit?


3) What are the advantages to using a Open Therm connection to the boiler versus relay control? I have heard that OT might offer boiler output modulation and so be more efficient?

In other-words is the OT interface more than just a low-voltage on-off or does it depend on the boiler and or the version of OT it support?


Cheers

Answers

  • sdmaino
    sdmaino ✭✭✭
    edited February 16

    I can answer only to question #3

    Yes, OT can give you power modulation , with great advantages in terms of boiler efficiency, while relay control can only turn your boiler on/off.

    In orde to use OT control your boiler must have this protocol and being pre-set to manage different modulation steps.

    Higher number of modulation steps -> better modulation -> higher power save as the boiler will be nearer to the required heat.

  • Tado can’t do OpenTherm and S Plan.

  • Hey Montage - please could you expand on that? Why can't you have S-Plan plumbing but use an OT boiler control?

  • It’s a technical limitation of Tado (and Nest). They will only do ebus OR relay switching.

    If you have a means of solely receiving ebus and that device can itself sort out your valves then you are fine.

  • >They will only do ebus OR relay switching.

    Oh that's a shame, thanks for the info!

  • Tado's website seems to lack detail on what the differences are between the various Wireless Receivers. Based on other user comments in these forums it looks like the following applies.

    1. The UK Wireless Receiver appears to be only able to do relay switching
    2. The European Wireless Receiver appears to be only able to do OpenTherm/eBus and not relay switching
    3. The original Extension Controller as sold in both the UK and EU can do either OpenTherm/eBus or relay switching but not both at the same time

    As far as I am aware myself if you have a Tado product that supports OpenTherm it also supports eBus in that both OpenTherm and eBus use the same digital wiring.

    Contrary to @Montage stated Nest v3 Thermostat only supports OpenTherm and not eBus, it can also do relay switching. Tado is as far I know unique in supporting both OpenTherm and eBus. In general eBus is proprietary and again as far as I am aware only Tado have bothered/managed to reverse engineer the two different eBus systems used by Vaillant and Worcester Bosch.

    Note: In The Netherlands I believe regulations require boilers use OpenTherm so in the Netherlands Vaillant and Worcester Bosch come with OpenTherm instead of eBus, this is achieved in both cases by their including as standard translator modules to convert their proprietary eBus to standard OpenTherm. Sadly in the UK despite the fact these translator modules are made/sold by Vaillant and Worcester Bosch they will invalidate any warranty if you fit them although they will work fine.

    It also appears to be the case that with Tado if you use OpenTherm or eBus you cannot independently control hot water. Apparently Tado say you can only do this if you have a 'combi' boiler. Of course if you have a combi boiler you don't have a hot water tank and then separate hot water control becomes meaningless.

    My visit to these forums today was to research what the differences between the Wireless Receiver and the older Extension Kit are. The fact that apparently the UK Wireless Receiver does not do OpenTherm/eBus is a shock. It used to be that a number of boiler suppliers in the UK used to bundle Tado as a way to do smart 'modulating' control for energy saving over relay switching.