viessmann vitodens 050-w and Opentherm

Hi,

I've just had this boiler installed and want it to use Opentherm which the boiler is compatible for.

The old boiler didn't have modulation.

I've had the tado system for around 4 years now so have the below setup:

extension kit which is wired directly into boiler.

internet bridge.

6 wireless radiator thermostats.

5 wireless add-on room thermostats.


I've attached a screenshot of how my current extension kit has been wired into the boiler.

How can I get this wired up so my boiler modulates the heating using OpenTherm?

Your help would be much appreciated as the main reason for buying this boiler was because it can modulate the heat and is Opentherm compatible.

TIA

Comments

  • The extension kit wiring is the easy bit. You need to move the grey and black wires from 1 & 4 to terminals + & - on the right hand side. Before you do this you must alter the wiring inside the boiler. It's really important that you disconnect the 230V wires at both ends before re-connecting wires to the low voltage terminals.

    Unfortunately to access the wiring inside the boiler you need to remove the boiler casing and break the combustion seal. If you are located in the UK you cannot do this yourself - it must be a Gas Safe heating engineer. Not sure what the regulations are in other countries.

    Once the wires in the extension kit and boiler are moved to the OT terminals you need to contact Tado support and ask them to update your system for OT control.

  • thanks alot

    found this video online which shows the boiler side of things but just couldn't find anything relating to the tado configuration.

    How To Wire Viessmann 050-w Opentherm or 240v switching - YouTube

    i'm in the uk so will see if i can get the same company that installed it to change the wiring over (without charging extra), fingers crossed.

    the image which shows the other side of the case for the extension kit, do i leave the orange bit in the "1" position which is Relay wiring 1 - Potential free or change to relay wiring 2 - switched live?


    thanks

  • The orange jumper has no effect when using Opentherm.

  • GrayDav4276
    GrayDav4276 ✭✭✭
    edited September 9
    As @GrilledCheese2 said....
    The jumper is not required for Opentherm with this boiler.
  • so just had the boiler wired up for OpenTherm, changed the wiring on the (old style) extension kit and got tado to change on their end, all seems to be working fine.

    my boiler has a pre heat option (eco mode) to keep the water warm.

    when eco mode is off, the boiler fires up every hour to keep the water temperature warm.

    when eco mode is on, it doesn't fire up the boiler which is what i prefer (saves gas, etc).

    now with everything changed over to OpenTherm, there's no option to select eco mode on the boiler and it is firing up every hour to keep the water temps around 60 celcius :-(

    any ideas why this would be please?

    thanks

  • I believe customer support will have to make this change for you - not possible through the app.

  • Just to add, is there a reason you need to keep your water temp at 60c? You have a combi with no tank so there’s little danger of legionella, might as well set it to a usable temp like 45c.
  • @GrilledCheese2 tado said they have the Opentherm setup on their end

    @johnnyp78 it's doing this automatically at the moment. seems like, everytime it drops to around 40c the boiler kicks in and heats it up to 60c.

    does this during night aswell which is really annoying.


    i think its probably something on the boiler side of things, not sure.

  • In that case, ask customer support if they can turn off preheat, seems bizarre that the boiler’s heating above the level you want it.
  • Bantam81
    Bantam81
    edited September 19
    @Ervcrt100 did you get this problem sorted I'm having the same problem both with Tado thermostat and Nest. I assume it's an issue with the boiler. Had to remove opentherm link and have it as on/off system.
  • I don't think that the Viessmann Vitodens 050-w has a "Pre heat" feature for the hot water...........
  • so looks like this is how OpenTherm works.

    the eco mode is no longer there and that is how it is meant to be when in opentherm mode.

    the boiler coming on hourly etc is also normal when using opentherm :-(

    i've been told that on the long run, this will save me money so for now, i won't be switching back to the relay on/off mode.

  • GrayDav4276
    GrayDav4276 ✭✭✭
    edited September 22
    Are you sure that this new boiler actually had the Preheat function.......my Viessmann Vitodens 050-W doesn't have this and has Opentherm via my tado° system.
    Also the boiler in the video does not look like my 050-W.......does your boiler look like the one in the video ??🤔
  • yeah, this is the latest version of the boiler, has a digital screen on the front.

    i've installed the hot water feature in the tado app and have had some luck. during the day, i've set the water to 50C and night time i've turned it down to 30C. now it doesn't fire up as often, seems to have helped alot by doing it this way.

    i've got a case open with viessman to see if the pre-heat option can be turned off via the boiler somehow.

  • Hi @Ervcrt100
    I have spent a few hours on YouTube today.......and I have worked out that my 050-W is the previous version, so yours is the latest one.
    The videos show that you can switch the ECO mode on or off.....however from other posts regarding tado°s Opentherm operation with combi boilers with ECO feature.....the general impression that I get is that tado° appears to override the boiler ECO settings......which isn't a good idea imho
    Keep us posted on the response that you get from Viessmann.
    I like the look of your 050-W......I'm tempted to upgrade.