Samsung Smartthings

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How do i get Tado radiator to work with Samsung Smartthings - I tried both smartthings app(classic) but no luck :(

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  • FrankFrank | Admin

    Hi @Peterfaester

    We don't have any plans at this stage to be compatible with Samsung Smartthings, but I've moved this to the Suggestions section so that this can get some feedback from the community to help us change our minds 😉

    Best regards,

    Frank

  • @Frank

    Hi, I literally just joined the community to come and post a request for Smartthings support and low and behold the very first post in the list was a request from @Peterfaester for the very same thing. :)

    I would therefore obviously echo Peter's request for this.

    For what it's worth a Smartthings user has written an independent 'smartapp' for Smartthings to give some capabilities. However this only works with the older 'classic' Smartthings app and not the newer app.

    See - https://github.com/fuzzysb/Tado

    and - https://community.smartthings.com/t/release-tado-connect/65465

  • Am amazed and disappointed that's there's no Smartthings integration. I'd been using Stringify for my home automation (inc Tado) but that service ceases at the end of June so I went looking for new integration and control. Tado are making a big mistake here. If you can't integrate for commercial or other reasons then at least open the service up so that Smartthings Classic and community-written code is not the only way in.

  • +1 for a SmartThings integration.

    I would like to be able to turn off the hot water as part of the SmartThings Goodnight routine or when the mode changes to Night. And similarly activate the hot water preheat on my combi when I run the SmartThings Good Morning routine.

    Currently to do those things requires an ugly work around of using a virtual switch in SmartThings which triggers an IFTTT applet.

  • Other than the third-party Smartthings app I mentioned above another potential approach is as follows.

    1. There are some 'apps' for HomeAssistant a free open source smart home package which allow HomeAssistant to talk to Tado products. In at least some of these cases these also have limitations but they might have fewer such issues than the Smartthings app I referred to. Once you have Tado working with HomeAssistant it is then possible to use MQTT on both HomeAssistant and Smartthings to allow Smartthings to use the HomeAssistant entries
    2. It is uniquely possible to add HomeKit devices to HomeAssistant. (Most other systems only do the opposite of converting non-HomeKit devices to be available to HomeKit.) You could therefore add Tado to HomeAssistant as a HomeKit device and again use MQTT between HomeAssistant and Smartthings. However currently HomeKit does not support some functions - especially for the Tado AC v3 and therefore you still might have limitations

    Even the official Tado IFTTT channel has limitations. :(

    Obviously the most desirable solution would be for Tado to improve their connectivity to various smart home platforms in general. I can accept they might not be able to do all of them or all at the same time but other than HomeKit and IFTTT arguable they have done none. (Technically Alexa and Google Assistant are not smart home platforms but rather they are smart assistants.)

    Since Tado are not it seems working on a big stream of new products this is perhaps an area where they could put more effort.

    PS. I am aware that in theory since Tado now have an API potentially customers could write such integration themselves. I am also aware 'early adopters' might be more likely to be people with the skills needed to do that but arguably the smart home market has evolved a bit beyond the early adoption stage and now the majority of customers may not be your typical hacker profile.

  • zoharzohar
    edited August 2019

    +1

    I'm about to get SmartThings and connect my home, and the first things I would like to get are smart radiator thermostats and this seems a good one. I don't wish to have lots of hubs in the house, but one, so the thermostats I go for would need to be one that is would support SmartThings and be smart enough. As this seems like a good choice, its a shame to drop it. So please consider the above.

  • @zohar

    For what its worth the possible choices for smart radiator valves might be as follows.

    1. Tado
    2. Netatmo
    3. (various) Z-Wave
    4. others - generally proprietary e.g. Drayton Wiser, Honeywell, Bosch, etc.

    Of these Z-Wave would be the easiest to add to Smartthings currently although I would be of the view that such valves as part of a smart heating system would be significantly inferior to Tado. All the others would require a third-party app/device handler and likely all would be unofficial ones - if available at all.

  • Official SmartThings support would be a real bonus. I would like to use ST to set home/away modes & night temperatures without having to set fixed schedules, & also to set my kids' rooms depending on whether they're staying with me.

  • Hi, @Frank

    "We don't have any plans at this stage to be compatible with Samsung Smartthings"

    Oh, this is a real shame. As Tado is possibly the best smart heating system and SmartThings is the best home automation system. It's a huge shame that there is no proper official integration between the systems (like with Philips Hue or Ring). As people could really benefit from this and get much better overall experience. E.g. adding support of dual-fuel towel rails (don't think you are going to support them any time soon), better override rules (instead of going to individual settings of each room/zone) etc. For example, currently to change heating setting when guests are staying is a bit of a quest. (I have a Tado TRV on each radiator in the house)


    From my point of view, it is not a question of replicating Tado app inside of SmartThings, but being able to use temperature/humidity from Tado thermostats/TRV's, presence, heating/hot water state.

  • VertigoVertigo ✭✭✭
    edited October 2019

    > better override rules (instead of going to individual settings of each room/zone) etc. For example, currently to change heating setting when guests are staying is a bit of a quest.

    I fear this is a deliberate choice. By not providing an API so we could really control the system from another home automation platform, and not even providing a manual home/away toggle, the only somewhat convenient way is paying for the auto assist. Of course, that doesnt even help for guests and many other situations where auto assist simply isnt an option ( working the entire day in my shed or in my garden, even when dining at neighbors I cant set the bloody thing to away, so much for saving money!).

    Tado want to go the ring route, forcing everything to go through their cloud (and then being able to charge whatever they want for whatever they want). I really dont like that model for a doorbell, I certainly dont like it for heating my house.

  • Throw my hat in for a +1... Can do the basics with amazon... But should really be able to work directly with smart things
  • +1 from me too, I was searching how to integrate Tado into Smartthings and came across this threat. I am currently researching my best option for a Smart Thermostat and TRV's and other than no Smartthings integration Tado seems the ideal choice but lack of Smartthings integration is probably a deal breaker for me. Hopefully Tado will re-consider.

  • I was on the point of buying a Tado multi-room system, but the lack of Samsung SmartThings hub integration just put me off! Shame really as it looks like a good solution.

  • Also a +1 for smartthings integration plz!

    It wasn't a dealbreaker as I've already bought it but as a former stringify user (stringify quit) id like some more automation possibilities through smartthings

    Thx alot

    Verdi
  • +1 for smartthings integration
  • +1.

    It seems REALLY difficult to find an integration platform that works with everything or items that work with one platform as having multiple hubs and apps kind of avoids the point of having a centralised integration.

    I opted for SmartThings as it offers integration for the systems that I already had (Hue & Sonos). The SmartThings sensors fitted my requirements and it seems to be one of the better options.

    I cannot find any smart heating solutions that work with SmartThings and have taken the plunge with Tado as it, on paper, meets my requirements. So far, really happy with the system but integration to SmartThings would be the dream. One app that offers control of all smart home systems.
  • From within the SmartThings Groovy IDE (mine is:https://graph-eu01-euwest1.api.smartthings.com/), you can create a New Tado Heating Zone device from My Devices, eg:

    +Add New Device

    Name: Tado Thermostat

    Device Network Id: Tado Thermostat

    Type: Tado Heating Zone

    Version: Published

    Location: Home

    Hub: Home Hub

    Create


    I'm just testing this now, not convinced the network ID is right, but that's what I've seen on another forum.Will let you know.

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